Oct. 5, 2021

BONUS: I Believe in Rom-Communism (with Gwenda Bond)

An interview with New York Times Best Selling author and Ted Lasso fan Gwenda Bond about the Rom-Com influences in the show.


Welcome back to the Crown & Anchor, Greyhounds! On this bonus episode we host New York Times best-selling author Gwenda Bond to discuss the theme of "rom-communism"  that has been so pervasive in the second season of Ted Lasso.

Luckily, Gwenda is an accomplished writer who has spent a good deal of time writing stories that fit within the rom-com genre - including her new book that is out this week, titled Not Your Average Hot Guy.

In our conversation with Gwenda,  we discuss the hallmarks of the rom-com genre, the ways in which the show adheres to and subverts rom-com conventions, and point out our favorite references in the "Rainbow" episode of Ted Lasso season 2.

We also take some time to talk about Gwenda's work on a Young Adult fiction series which features a young Lois Lane (of the Superman comics) as the protagonist and ask her how she came to love the genre so deeply.

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Transcript

Brett   

Welcome back to the crown and anchor greyhounds. This is a bonus episode of Richmond's till we die a conversation about the Apple TV plus show Ted lasso where we explore the characters, their relationships to each other, and how they're able to make us laugh, until we can hardly breathe one moment and then feel with the deepest parts of our hearts the next. I'm Brett, and since I'm recording this pre roll late, I have the pleasure of introducing my amazing co host today. So the other voices you'll hear alongside me belong to Christian, my work husband, and Marissa, my work wife and my actual real life wife. And since this episode is all about ROM communism, it stands to reason that a movie about our podcast production team could potentially be called Deep feels and third wheels or something like that. I also have the pleasure of introducing our guest for this episode, New York Times bestselling author Gwenda bond Glinda has written Thai and content for the TV show Stranger Things as well as a why a series about Lois Lane from the Superman comics in addition to several other works, she also has a brand new book out this week that falls squarely in the genre of rom com and it's called not your average hot guy. We connected with Quinta on Twitter shortly after season two, Episode Five aired and we knew that we just had to take some time to talk ROM communism because the episode was so great, and so full of talking points. And we knew immediately that we would not have time in our regular conversations to get into all of the rom com references. So we decided to dedicate an entire bonus episode to that topic with a rom com expert no less. So for those of you who are behind, or if you're waiting to binge the whole season, this is your official spoiler alert, there'll be plenty of discussion about season two, Episode Five, and the arc of season two so far. And for the rest of you keep in mind that we recorded this episode back in mid September, just after the eighth episode of season two had been released the one called Man City. So if you caught up on the show, you know that a lot has changed with some of those relationships since we recorded this episode. And lastly, y'all know we always do our best to ensure quality audio on the show. But if you feel like something is a little off with the audio and the episode, you're not wrong, but it's because we encountered a bit of a technical glitch while recording. Hopefully it doesn't distract from Gwenda’s charm and her insight when it comes to the characters on the show. Okay, y'all, Marisa Christian, and I hope that y'all enjoy our conversation with New York Times bestselling author, Quinta bond.

 

Christian  

It's so nice to have you with us today. Can you share with all of our listeners how you found Ted Lascaux and how you developed an affection for the show?

 

Gwenda Bond  

It's so funny when you ask that it really flashed me back to the pandemic. And I have a group of friends who I've known forever. We are scattered all over the country. So we do we started at the beginning of the pandemic, and we're still doing them we do every week, we meet up on Fridays at noon, our time and breakfast time for the West Coast people and have a conversation. And we often give each other show recommendation. But a couple of the people on that show are MacArthur Genius, Kelly Link, but Kelly Link and her husband, Gavin Grant, who are Scottish often are giving us usually they're recommending British shows, but they were the first people who recommended the show, and it was already out then. So we binged it. And my husband and I, I think this is a perfect couple show. So we both felt it was very difficult to get into things. And so it always adds like an extra layer of pleasure when we both like

 

Marisa  

We found that to be true for us as well. Yeah.

 

Brett   

Christian has also talked about how they kind of got into it at the same time as well,

 

Christian  

Yeah, it is one of our few couple shows. So now you have this show that you love, and you start watching an episode where they start dropping romcom references, which is something that you're not only well versed in, but also you create and produce things with like heavy rom com themes in them. \At what point during this episode, did you realize oh, this isn't an opening bit. This is like by far the most intense recurring bit that this show has had almost to the point of like absurdity.

 

Gwenda Bond  

I feel like the writing room on the show is just, you know, Chef skits. We were primed to get it early, but the the the Christmas episode and the use of the flashcards I guess those aren't flashcards but you know what I mean, and so That's a huge rom com reference and and then in a in a delightful way and then a lot of romance landia have picked up on ROM communism in one of the early trailers and so we're all waiting for that but we had no idea that we were gonna get this never ending gift I think honestly the meet cute in the diner but even the music at the beginning has so such a When Harry Met Sally vibe that I thought this is going to be it and then we get that locker room talk very early but yeah it just such a delightful piece of writing.

 

Brett   

Yeah, you mentioned kind of priming us for it with that Love Actually reference on the Christmas episode. I also thought in the very first episode when Rebecca sort of breaks it off with that gentleman that she's dating John Wingsnight not John Stamos that with that song in the background that felt very like raw I was like this is this is a rom com scene.

 

Gwenda Bond  

I think they write romance way and romantic subplots, the way that I see them in Modern Romance, which is like most shows would go or like for instance the same where Kaylee is having away one they would either she'd be embarrassed to be caught doing it right which show doesn't do and or it would be like Jamie instead of video right? Right. Right. Right. So I think whenever the show can make the smart choice it goes in that direction, which I appreciate and I think people don't realize how smart most romances are. It's nice to see them actually tipping their hat openly Yeah.

 

Christian  

What was the strongest reaction you had to a reference in this particular episode?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Oh hopefully that you have been at coach wire is such an I had discovered in that moment that my husband had never seen Jerry Maguire. So as soon as the episode ended, I went to look up Jerry Maguire we watched it with like HBO max or something. Because of course that's like the classic works rom com. Yeah,

 

Brett   

So many quotes that will live forever from that movie.

 

Marisa  

How did your love for ROM coms developed?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Well, it's interesting. So I was a very pretentious kid. And then you know, you grow up and you realize, Oh, God, like this is so immature. It's so not like the other girls and and kind of went in the exact opposite direction. I always loved rom com movies, especially old movies. And I actually think their original Superman is basically half newsroom romantic comedy. Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve doing a pretty, pretty spot on like, update of Cary Grant Roger today. And so I feel like that is really that relationship was one of the things that drew me in and I would sneak my mom's Arlington's on the side. I was reading, and then as an adult, and discovered romance when I wanted a word from the romance industry. And I wrote for pw for a number of years, and I wrote a couple of articles about romance. And they won the bear toss award, which is an award that art of UAE gives for non snarky reporting, basically. And also like, interviewing the editors of Romance and Prince for those pieces, they were recommending each other. Oh, they were clearly such fans of what they did, which is unusual in publishing, there's a lot of burnout, but they still are really excited about it. And so I thought I need to read this .I just basically just dove in headfirst and started reading romance and asking for recommendations and have never looked back. And you know, there's always been that strain in my work, but I feel like I'm finally owning it.

 

Marisa  

I'm just gonna say I have a question. It's on the sheet but I'm curious and then I know you said like, I like that. Ted lasso kind of goes in the direction of modern romantic comedy. I grew up you know, as a child of the 80s watching lots of Rom coms. And that's kind of like what you're conditioned to, to watch with the girlfriends and all that fun stuff. And then, you know, especially after like a me too moment, you know, you go back and you watch these movies, maybe in your 30s and you start to realize some of the things that maybe weren't as romantic or as I don't know Yeah, appropriate. Yeah. Appropriate as you want to start as a teenager. So is there is there a movie in your mind that you thought maybe like, you know, when you were younger was your favorite? And you've gone back and thought like, oh, gosh, how could I ever have loved this movie?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Absolutely. I mean, I used to watch 16 Candles every, like Thanksgiving. And I haven't seen it a years, but I do because I remember like, finally watching it and just having, oh my god, like cringe moment, at some point when I was in college, and it shouldn't have taken that long. But if you haven't read, Molly Ringwald actually did a great piece for The New Yorker few years ago about watching those movies with her daughter, and seeing all the ways in which they like fall short. 

 

Christian  

What in your mind are some of the elements of rom com the rom com genre that allow works to kind of fit under that umbrella knowing that I'm sure a lot of people have different opinions on this, but when you're creating what are some of the things in terms of like structure or characteristics that you feel you want to or need to include?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Definitely at romantic comedy personally from love of the screwball romcoms from the 30s and 40s. And I think the thing that I take from them and that most good romantic comedy takes from them and I think Ted lassa was a prime example of this I was just thinking about how in some ways Ted is is a is is a fast talking game. To me it's about them being on equal footing especially at that time was very rare you know, for men and women to be portrayed as sort of in a relationship of equals and I think a lot of those movies but in interesting obstacles they talk about class they talk about race they talk about you know, there's just so many things you can address that are challenges that people face and so to me the core of a rom com is that one has to be funny right? comedy but also make each other better so that is really that's where I come from on this but obviously there are beats that most of these stories share like the beat cute that have you know, names that have been like that have become part of pop culture language you know, and the major setback and I think we all know like the grand gesture and Roy running to to onto the field.

 

Marisa  

Especially in the rain you know there has to be some moment excellent

 

Gwenda Bond  

Yeah, so I think like all of those things and and then like the clinch or you know, the coming together at the end and often it does happen in front of a crowd because it's a public right of your relationship with each other so yeah, I think the show just nailed all those beats you really could look at that episode and and basically treat it as a little masterclass and rom com structure.

 

Christian  

You went all the way back and mentioned rom coms from the 30s and 40s. What would be an example or two of a rom com that stems that far back,

 

Gwenda Bond  

Bringing up Baby is a classic obviously, there's a great one called Midnight that not enough people have seen that is a riff on Cinderella was one of my favorites. Basically anything Barbara Stanwyck was in was funny lady a ball of fire, which is which is another fairy tale riff and it's like a take on Snow White a little bit with lexicographers.

 

Brett   

Amazing.

 

Gwenda Bond  

They basically hooked up with Barbara to study playing and and the youngest one of their cohort falls in love with her so there's some great there's some really great movies in that period. His girl Friday, of course already mentioned, what am I

 

Christian  

I'm excited to now have the challenge of which streaming service has the best 1930s 1940s romantic comedy catalog.

 

Gwenda Bond  

A lot of things are out there. And there's some real weird oddball supernatural ones like I've Married a Witch is on HBO max right now.

 

Marisa  

We have some homework to do. One of my favorites is My Favorite wife with Cary Grant.

 

Brett   

That's what I was thinking of. You showed me that movie.

 

Marisa  

Yeah and so you know you keep calling us back to these older movies and it makes me think of one of my favorite rom coms. Well yours too It's a Christmas movie the holiday such a good movie but she gets an education from the old Hollywood guy who tells her to go back and watch all these these strong women from these movies who will have gumption you know so i love that idea

 

Brett   

Okay, so we mentioned the running reference the Roy taking a really long run that could be the crazy thing is that that could be a reference to so many films like across a crime you know, people are like, it's from this it's from this I'm like, well, it's it's from everything. That's why they did it. And it was like a three minute bit. But you know, there's these other references, like Titanic and Princess Bride that are both included in this specific episode, which we are totally here for. But do you consider those films and films like them to be romcoms, quote, unquote,

 

Gwenda Bond  

Titanic, really, that would be a stretch, but I do think they're iconic love stories and they’re fairy tales of a sort. So I think that they fit under the broader romance theme. I could make a case that The Princess Bride is a romantic comedy, but I honestly don't think anyone watches that movie for the rowmance. So it is more like I think it though it has the spirit and part right of the ensemble cast that you see in rom com.

 

Brett   

Princess Bride needs a little more Titanic and Titanic needs a little more Princess Bride to fit in the rom com genre.

 

Christian  

One of your creative projects is a trilogy of Lois Lane as a young woman. And that story of Superman and especially of Lois Lane is an interesting one, just in terms of how early in the history of the storytelling of Superman. Lois Lane has been portrayed as powerful and capable. And that's one of the subversive messages that we see in Ted Lasso is that the women are more powerful and more capable than they tend to be portrayed in other shows, or in books. So what was your approach to writing Lois Lane from her perspective, as opposed to the Superman perspective that we usually see?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Well, on, obviously, it was a huge honor. And you're right on, she’s been there since 1938. Action Comics, Number One, alongside Superman, and has pretty much been a fully formed character, although she tends to be written less well given certain times in history of mapping onto how women are being seen. But that is a great example. I think that relationship of that partnership of equals. And what was fascinating to me is, despite her having been around that long, very little about young Lois, so I really had a very free reign. And I kind of approached these books as science fiction to because to granted alien and so for me, I wanted to delve into her family life, I wanted to have her be one of the first people that is figuring out that there are might be super beings out there. And she in Clark Kent meet on a message board. And he has a dorky handle, small bill guy, and she is skeptic girl one and they develop their relationship from afar. When she moves to metropolis. I have her get her first reporting job at the daily scoop, which is a new publication that Barry White is in charge of, or the event was kind of a rookie ask, I guess sort of magazine. And I really just wanted to weave into this version of the story because I do think that if you look at the best versions of this, Superman does learn a lot about how to be a hero, Lois, she is his Superman. And I wanted that to be part of his development, like him watching her grow into her power and advocacy and the fact that she is, you know, so brave and fearless. And even though she doesn't have superpowers, so to me, it's really a story of, of again, them making each other better, and him sort of forming his ideas of what it means to be a hero, somewhat based on their relationship with each other.

 

Christian  

So how do people in the comics community in the Superman fandom, receive your work? Because I know I've been in Star Wars fandom for a long time and as they've worked to elevate people of color and elevate women, that's brought up a lot of ugliness and nastiness. From within the community. Did you receive any of that or were people more open? What was your experience? Like?

 

Gwenda Bond  

You know, honestly, I was tremendously lucky. The Lois Lane fandom has just embraced me with open arms. And when they don't like something, you know it. They were really supportive of me. I've become longtime friends and some of them. Tim Hanley heard I was writing a book on Lois Lane. Right when the first book was about to come out, he included it in the last chapter and wrote to me about how great he thought it was. And I thought okay, I've done my job like if you're still nervous always write anytime you're writing for something with the fandom Same thing with Stranger Things You know, you want the fans to embrace it. I have certainly had friends in the comics who have gotten hate in the comics world but other than like a very few you know, oh, Lois is just a damsel in distress. I feel like my experience has been pretty positive. And I think that's the kind of fans it's like Ted lasso in some ways, right? Like the kind of people who like Superman better than Batman. And not to be jerks. So I feel like Yeah, I was really lucky there.

 

Christian  

Fast forward to today you have a book that'll be released, not your average hot guy and I've seen you in red you've talked about it as very specifically like like rom com in within the genre. So how did your process of writing Lois Lane which maybe wasn't approached like hit on the nail in the same way? then inform how you approached Not Your Average Hot Guy?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Not Your Average Hot Guy is out now. And it's probably the most amazing I've ever written, which is a little nerve wracking. 13 books then just because I think your sense of humor is so personal and specific. And I don't think I would have been gutsy enough to try and write a funny book earlier in my career and just outright funny. I mean, there always have been funny moments in my book. But honestly, this idea the idea of this book is basically a girl whose family runs in a safe room business who's flailing after college and working their butt and is in charge for the weekend has accidentally bought a real Grimoire and put it in one of the rooms and call shows up to take it kidnaps her long story short they summon by accident the son of Lucifer and everything he can't get to different worlds than that right she's a very bookish what I would think thinks of herself as a very tame person and Luke sees himself as a bad boy but he's really not and so again it goes back to those themes like only I would write like the devil's son and make him basically cinnamon roll go into this book it's like they like some kind of alpha male chest beating like bad boy are gonna be very disappointed but people who like a sweeter sweeter guy who just needs to learn how to trust himself and be himself will hopefully like it.

 

Brett   

I wonder what his dad is gonna think about all

 

Gwenda Bond  

Oh, his dad is toxic masculinity all over. So yeah, his dad is the worst. So a lot of the book is I mean, it's like those 20 somethings right like you still you like you're on your own, but you still have these parental issues. And you have to kind of figure out how you're going to deal with those for the rest of your life.

 

Christian  

That sounds super fun. I can't wait to read it.

 

Marisa  

I'm excited about that. Well, rom com wasn't referenced in this episode of Ted last so that you wish you'd been there.

 

Gwenda Bond  

I would have loved to have seen one old one like Bringing Up Baby like you know with like a big cat in the back of a car. I don't know how they would have gotten it in there. Because it is so jam packed. But that would have been would have been who

 

Christian  

It is interesting. I've been sitting here and different things that I've seen and loved over the years. I'm like, Oh, that was a rom com like Saved by the Bell probably fits and I watched a lot of Saved by the Bell over summer breaks over the years. Where have you seen Roy and Kelly's relationship deviate from rom com traditions.

 

Gwenda Bond  

It's hard right? Because they are very much like I think like the other than Higgins and his wife are the couple goals. I actually feel like, again, that feels like a relationship that I would see in any rom com today. And I think Roy is like the best example we've seen so far. You know, leaving aside Ted and start his journey of someone who could have gone in a different way, right? It's that, you know, being masculine, but also being empathetic and learning not to identify yourself with. I mean, I think one of the big themes of the show, especially this season was rewatching it for this is that external validation can't be the important thing, right? And that everyone is valuable and worthy. And you have to understand that before you can be your best. So, um,

 

Brett   

yeah, I think you mentioned one of the things earlier and like, one of the ways that I think it can kind of both sticks to and deviates is in the disc, when they have to make turns like, you know, when they, when they come around the curves in their relationship, they almost the writers almost always do something that you wouldn't expect. Like, again, you mentioned the thing about Kelly, and how Roy walks in. And that could have been like a very predictable reaction and moment from both of them. But that ends up being a really sweet moment. And then kind of the same thing with a more recent episode beyond season two, Episode Five, where there's that miscommunication of Kelly need some space from Roy, and he's not picking up those, those social cues. But that wasn't you know, in a in a different show, that disagreement could have lasted a long, longer time, or it could have been I think we're

 

Gwenda Bond  

We're all Keeley smiling in that bathroom door right and left, and instead he is giving her what she needs, but your space? Yeah, yeah, I think the show is so smart. And I really feel like they are happy ever after as a couple and that the show's writers, I would be heartbroken if anything happened to that relationship. So I feel like the show's writers are giving us that middle island of joy, and

 

Brett   

totally Yeah. And I sort of had this revelation the other day, that kind of the same thing like oh, I would be devastated if anything like actually happens to their relationship. And then I kind of had this epiphany like, there's enough runway for them to have a Roy and Keeley wedding, like I don't know if I could hold it together. And not that they like to, you know, get married to be an all time great TV couple. But if that happens, I probably sobbed for about 40 minutes straight.

 

Marisa  

Yes, you would.

 

Christian  

Thinking about their relationship. What role in your creative process does making people feel uncomfortable play because I'm thinking about those moments when it flashes through your mind like, Oh my gosh, Kelly has Jamie on her phone. or later my wife even said out loud. as Sam and Rebecca were both in the bar together and that the pacing was like fairly slow. It felt torture, as she just said a couple of times. I am so uncomfortable right now.

 

Gwenda Bond  

Oh gosh, yeah, I actually have a friend who can't watch. can't watch ROM coms. For sure, right? Because there is always that tension, right? Because they're about vulnerability, ultimately, right? putting yourself out there. And so watching someone else be vulnerable can be very nerve wracking. But also, I think, you know, as a writer, what you want to do is know those, the way those push beats might have been played for a cliche, and you always assume them, but like good writing will, then knows that the reader or the viewer is going to think those things and subvert it right. So you get this nice tension and then release. Something else happened.

 

Brett   

Yeah, there's a really deft like, sleight of hand trick that they're very good at doing when it comes to those moments.

 

Gwenda Bond  

And I also feel like Roy because as we talked about, he's been on this journey and has really made good decisions for himself to be who he is and own it. And is still trying to be a better person that in a way that I mean relationships often reward or it's often a reward to characters like at the end of the journey. And so I feel like for both being Keeley like that, this is sort of there, we get to watch their reward, you know, each other.

 

Marisa  

Right? And talk about like, coming out of left field, you know, Roy gets that epiphany moment from the least likely character of Jamie, you know, and that's like, we get to see something of their relationship where it's like that

 

Gwenda Bond  

hug. Oh, I

 

Marisa  

was gonna say little things like that romantic comedy moment.

 

Brett   

Yeah. Jamie.

 

Marisa  

Are there any other Richmond players or characters on the show that you'd love to see? Maybe have a romantic moment with one another?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Well, I am really enjoying the Sam and Rebecca, and I'm curious to see where it goes. Yeah, that one I have a lot of tension and

 

Brett   

it's stressing me out.

 

Gwenda Bond  

Very much stressing me out. And I'm not I'm not. I'm not sure exactly where that's going. I think they have done such a marvelous job of giving everybody even the minor characters have art. But I hope we get more of Nora I really

 

Marisa  

I want to know where there's that one line who is calling when they're talking about banter for the first time. And he's like, Oh, it's like Grindr So then I'm wondering are we going somewhere with column here maybe that we haven't seen maybe same sex relationships that would be interesting for the show.

 

Gwenda Bond  

Yeah, it'd be nice because he's gotten a lot he's been a little bit of the like light punching bag that's the

 

Marisa  

you know he's it's like his mantra that you were talking about though like I'm a strong and capable man you know? That's kind of what all the characters are telling themselves this season so yeah let's let's see something happened for Colin.

 

Gwenda Bond  

Great point Bantr itself is very rom com right? And it's very much threaded throughout like this whole thing, like, especially when it becomes the sponsor. I mean, you couldn't have a more ROM commie setup. There's plenty of ROM coms that have a very similar like someone's running a dating app and they meet in person. There's some great romantic comedies that have that exact setup.

 

Brett   

Well speaking of romantic storylines for the characters and how they how they treated these minor characters. What is some Ted lasso fanfiction that you might be most likely to write if you were to think about that and do it

 

Gwenda Bond  

Sadly, I have never written fanfiction. I feel like it's a huge gaping hole I was like just a little bit, maybe too old to like it didn't really exist when I was growing up. I mean honestly, I'd be it would be fun to write about almost any of these characters I could see writing like a inside Ted last I was had like the references the upon references in kind of a James Joyce lyses style that would be interesting and fun and yeah any of these characters like I think there are going to be an already have been some announce like romance novels with inspired by certain characters. And like oh yeah, there was just an announcement the other day of somebody with a big table so energy and romance can recommend a ton of these. The Diamond Dogs like there's a whole series called romance book club that is basically the Diamond Dogs and some of them are sports players. And some of them are not they read romance novels to help each other with their relationship rebels. Amazing So yeah, I think there will be lots of not necessarily fanfiction but inspired by that last fiction

 

Marisa  

So how do you feel about terrible romantic comedies? Like you know the kind of like the made for TV movie ones, you know that? I won't name any specific channels. But, you know, like, Do you ever get joy from just watching those just just because

 

Gwenda Bond  

Netflix and it's stupid princess movies? Isn't that what the holiday season is for?

 

Marisa  

Yes, we've actually developed our own bingo card that's all printed in color. And we invite our friends over for a good you know, if you see fake snow, you'd have to take a shot or something, you know,

 

Gwenda Bond  

Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. No, like, I think they're definitely like, there's a time and place for everything. And like the cheese. I mean, you know, it's like The Good Place. You know, sometimes we're all basic.

 

Marisa  

It's true. Well, I'll just send you a bingo card so you can enjoy enjoy that the holiday season holiday season.

 

Christian  

You're so immersed in this rom com culture, which is by definition, very over the top, what does it look like for you to have such a grounded and normal relationship with your husband?

 

Gwenda Bond  

Well, he's a writer too. And, he's also a romantic and Superman fan, and a TED lasso fan. So I mean, we we very much have that like a very bad relationship. I mean, our friends have rolled their eyes at us. We're probably about it. But I mean, we have been together for a long time. Now. We just had a wedding anniversary, but I can never actually remember that did it man. That's the spirit. We got married in, like 2004. So we got together very quickly. We were introduced by that same friend I was talking about who introduced us to Ted last Oh, Kelly link. We saw each other at science fiction and fantasy conventions. a hotbed of romance. And he moved in with me like six months after we met.

 

Christian  

I need to see if Kelly Link will start giving me life advice because it sounds like she's batting a thousand.

 

Christian  

Super well this was a fun conversation and you have helped me look at a lot of things that I watch and read in a different light and I appreciate that and we encourage everybody to go check out your stuff and hopefully see title so through a different lens.

 

Gwenda Bond  

Yes, it was such a play. Yeah.

 

Brett   

Yeah, it was wonderful. Thank

 

Marisa  

you so much. kwinda Thank you so nice to meet you and chat with you.

 

Gwenda Bond  

But you know, my pleasure.

 

Brett   

I take care.

 

Okay, y'all that is our show. We had a great time chatting with Linda about ROM communism and Ted lasso and her other amazing work and you can refer to the show notes for links to her work and how to find her online and on social media. Also, be sure to check out windows new book, not your average hot guy, which is available in stores and online today, Tuesday, October 5. I am about a third of the way through my copy and trust me when I tell you all that it is a lot of fun. It's a great rom com read for spooky season for sure. And if you'd like to keep chatting with us about ROM communism or Ted lassa work when does work. Connect with us on Twitter and Instagram. Our handle on both is at TED lasso pod. This episode of Richmond till we die is brought to you by gin and kerosine Productions. It was produced by Marissa Christian and myself. If you liked the episode, we humbly ask that you take a moment to leave us a five star review on Apple podcasts. It's the best and easiest way you can support the show. Alright y'all, I'm Brett, signing off for Marissa and Christian and our esteemed guest Gwenda bond. Until next time, cheers y'all.

Marisa  

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Brett   

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Christian  

We truly appreciate all of you in the Richmond till we die community. Thanks for making this one of the most fun conversations on the internet. greyhounds adjourned